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	<title>Comments on: Midtown Brews Made me Brood</title>
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		<title>By: Jamie Fowler</title>
		<link>http://www.gloriaferris.net/2008/02/midtown-brews-made-me-brood/#comment-14468</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Fowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Roman</title>
		<link>http://www.gloriaferris.net/2008/02/midtown-brews-made-me-brood/#comment-365</link>
		<dc:creator>Roman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The solution really is simple. To make companies take into account the environmental impact into their cost&#38;benefits analysis, put a price on carbon either through a cap&#38;trade scheme or a carbon tax scheme. This would make green technologies a lot more economically feasible then they are now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The solution really is simple. To make companies take into account the environmental impact into their cost&amp;benefits analysis, put a price on carbon either through a cap&amp;trade scheme or a carbon tax scheme. This would make green technologies a lot more economically feasible then they are now.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Eckerle</title>
		<link>http://www.gloriaferris.net/2008/02/midtown-brews-made-me-brood/#comment-371</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Eckerle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we need to take a closer look at the contract. If I was going to sign a 50 year contract I would consider it a contract with the future. We do not even know all of the questions.  Will sequestration work? How much will it cost? Will the carbon tax be on all carbon released? On top of that the contract is less than perfect. Is there going to be a requirement for alternative energy. How will net metering change the energy demand picture. The list goes on.

The future of Cleveland Public Power is important. The future of Cleveland Public Power should be about planning for the future.

We are on the verge of a planatary emergency based on the release of carbon. How can we enter into a 50 year contract to release carbon, when we know the consequences. What will our children say. What will our grandchildren say. "What were they thinking?" Do we really have the right to cause irrevocable harm to the earth, and to our children. Can we enter into a cheap power contract if we know the harm it will cause. Is it a moral question? What is the true cost?

Have we learned the lesson that cost and benifits can be measured in ways other than money.

Perhaps we should look at this as an opportunity. A five year opportunity to come on line with alternative sources of baseline and surge energy. Think of a wind farm tied to utility sized fuel cells. Imagine a concerted war like effort to get these fully on line by 2020. What would be the consequences  of that type of effort. Say the payoff period was 50 years.
Perhaps we would have a expertise, a industrial base, a reputation for forward thinking.

Someday our children are going to regard our carbon base fuel dependence as a tobacco like dependence. We knew it was  killing us but it was cheap and it seemed like we didn't have a choice at the time.

I implore the fine intelligent people on council to save Cleveland Public Power by investing in the future rather than the past.


Jon Eckerle
Ohio City</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we need to take a closer look at the contract. If I was going to sign a 50 year contract I would consider it a contract with the future. We do not even know all of the questions.  Will sequestration work? How much will it cost? Will the carbon tax be on all carbon released? On top of that the contract is less than perfect. Is there going to be a requirement for alternative energy. How will net metering change the energy demand picture. The list goes on.</p>
<p>The future of Cleveland Public Power is important. The future of Cleveland Public Power should be about planning for the future.</p>
<p>We are on the verge of a planatary emergency based on the release of carbon. How can we enter into a 50 year contract to release carbon, when we know the consequences. What will our children say. What will our grandchildren say. &#8220;What were they thinking?&#8221; Do we really have the right to cause irrevocable harm to the earth, and to our children. Can we enter into a cheap power contract if we know the harm it will cause. Is it a moral question? What is the true cost?</p>
<p>Have we learned the lesson that cost and benifits can be measured in ways other than money.</p>
<p>Perhaps we should look at this as an opportunity. A five year opportunity to come on line with alternative sources of baseline and surge energy. Think of a wind farm tied to utility sized fuel cells. Imagine a concerted war like effort to get these fully on line by 2020. What would be the consequences  of that type of effort. Say the payoff period was 50 years.<br />
Perhaps we would have a expertise, a industrial base, a reputation for forward thinking.</p>
<p>Someday our children are going to regard our carbon base fuel dependence as a tobacco like dependence. We knew it was  killing us but it was cheap and it seemed like we didn&#8217;t have a choice at the time.</p>
<p>I implore the fine intelligent people on council to save Cleveland Public Power by investing in the future rather than the past.</p>
<p>Jon Eckerle<br />
Ohio City</p>
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		<title>By: Carole Cohen</title>
		<link>http://www.gloriaferris.net/2008/02/midtown-brews-made-me-brood/#comment-370</link>
		<dc:creator>Carole Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REAL NEO did a post the other day about us also putting our electrical needs where we live, not in southern ohio, and that in fact it would be cheaper, if not cleaner/safer...but it gets to the heart of what gloria is saying: why should someone else have bad quality of life so my electricity can stay on? Somehow it's bad karma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REAL NEO did a post the other day about us also putting our electrical needs where we live, not in southern ohio, and that in fact it would be cheaper, if not cleaner/safer&#8230;but it gets to the heart of what gloria is saying: why should someone else have bad quality of life so my electricity can stay on? Somehow it&#8217;s bad karma.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Eckerle</title>
		<link>http://www.gloriaferris.net/2008/02/midtown-brews-made-me-brood/#comment-369</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Eckerle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we need to take a closer look at the contract. If I was going to sign a 50 year contract I would consider it a contract with the future. We do not even know all of the questions.  Will sequestration work? How much will it cost? Will the carbon tax be on all carbon released? On top of that the contract is less than perfect. Is there going to be a requirement for alternative energy. How will net metering change the energy demand picture. The list goes on.

The future of Cleveland Public Power is important. The future of Cleveland Public Power should be about planning for the future.

We are on the verge of a planatary emergency based on the release of carbon. How can we enter into a 50 contract to release carbon. What will our children say. What will our grandchildren say. "What were they thinking?" Do we really have the right to cause irrevocable harm to the earth, and our children if we fully know the consequences. Can we enter into a cheap power contract if we know the harm it will cause. What is the true cost? Have we learned the lesson that cost and benifits can be measured in ways other than money.

Perhaps we should look at this as an opportunity. A five year opportunity to come on line with alternative sources of baseline and surge energy. Think of a wind farm tied to utility sized fuel cells. Imagine a concerted war like effort to get these fully on line by 2020. What would be the consequences of that type of effort. Say the payoff pe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we need to take a closer look at the contract. If I was going to sign a 50 year contract I would consider it a contract with the future. We do not even know all of the questions.  Will sequestration work? How much will it cost? Will the carbon tax be on all carbon released? On top of that the contract is less than perfect. Is there going to be a requirement for alternative energy. How will net metering change the energy demand picture. The list goes on.</p>
<p>The future of Cleveland Public Power is important. The future of Cleveland Public Power should be about planning for the future.</p>
<p>We are on the verge of a planatary emergency based on the release of carbon. How can we enter into a 50 contract to release carbon. What will our children say. What will our grandchildren say. &#8220;What were they thinking?&#8221; Do we really have the right to cause irrevocable harm to the earth, and our children if we fully know the consequences. Can we enter into a cheap power contract if we know the harm it will cause. What is the true cost? Have we learned the lesson that cost and benifits can be measured in ways other than money.</p>
<p>Perhaps we should look at this as an opportunity. A five year opportunity to come on line with alternative sources of baseline and surge energy. Think of a wind farm tied to utility sized fuel cells. Imagine a concerted war like effort to get these fully on line by 2020. What would be the consequences of that type of effort. Say the payoff pe</p>
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		<title>By: Carole Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carole Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer to me is to put all available money into the Ohio Hub and improved National Rail systems; that is the no brainer for me.  Gloria I love what you said though, about being a part of the solution (possibly) if we sign on.....is that a guaranteed fact? I agree, I am skeptical as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer to me is to put all available money into the Ohio Hub and improved National Rail systems; that is the no brainer for me.  Gloria I love what you said though, about being a part of the solution (possibly) if we sign on&#8230;..is that a guaranteed fact? I agree, I am skeptical as well.</p>
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		<title>By: TimFerris</title>
		<link>http://www.gloriaferris.net/2008/02/midtown-brews-made-me-brood/#comment-368</link>
		<dc:creator>TimFerris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should not, as a  community, enter into a contract which would make the building of the plant more feasilble and also commit our taxpayers to supporting a declining technology for 50 years. We are patsies if we lock ourselves, and the next two generations, into a deal that guarantees a price-support level to something that is not that good for us and our neighbors, something that is becoming obsolete and losing popular support, something that causes us all kinds of other collateral expenses anyway.

I really don't see what all the debate is about at Cleveland City Council--for me, saying no to this con job is a no-brainer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should not, as a  community, enter into a contract which would make the building of the plant more feasilble and also commit our taxpayers to supporting a declining technology for 50 years. We are patsies if we lock ourselves, and the next two generations, into a deal that guarantees a price-support level to something that is not that good for us and our neighbors, something that is becoming obsolete and losing popular support, something that causes us all kinds of other collateral expenses anyway.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t see what all the debate is about at Cleveland City Council&#8211;for me, saying no to this con job is a no-brainer.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy C</title>
		<link>http://www.gloriaferris.net/2008/02/midtown-brews-made-me-brood/#comment-367</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Co-op America has rolled out a campaign to end financing for coal - information available at http://www.coopamerica.org/takeaction/banking</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Co-op America has rolled out a campaign to end financing for coal - information available at <a href="http://www.coopamerica.org/takeaction/banking" rel="nofollow">http://www.coopamerica.org/takeaction/banking</a></p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Barnes</title>
		<link>http://www.gloriaferris.net/2008/02/midtown-brews-made-me-brood/#comment-363</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaine Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no benefit in building a coal fired power plant in Meigs county.  Clearly, Councilman Zone needs to be driven to where he is thinking of building this monstrosity; he needs to see the people that it will impact; see the desperation, lack of jobs, lack of hope.

Having been in many parts of the state, growing up in a very affluent area of Ohio with great wealth and then learning what the poorest areas of our state are like, I can say it is shocking.  Yes, here we deal with urban poverty, but nothing like our family in Appalachia.

We cannot abide that.  I cannot sit by and see it happen.  I won't.  Please let me know as there is any way I may help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no benefit in building a coal fired power plant in Meigs county.  Clearly, Councilman Zone needs to be driven to where he is thinking of building this monstrosity; he needs to see the people that it will impact; see the desperation, lack of jobs, lack of hope.</p>
<p>Having been in many parts of the state, growing up in a very affluent area of Ohio with great wealth and then learning what the poorest areas of our state are like, I can say it is shocking.  Yes, here we deal with urban poverty, but nothing like our family in Appalachia.</p>
<p>We cannot abide that.  I cannot sit by and see it happen.  I won&#8217;t.  Please let me know as there is any way I may help.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy C</title>
		<link>http://www.gloriaferris.net/2008/02/midtown-brews-made-me-brood/#comment-366</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gloria,

Thank you for this thoughtful piece - there is much to think about in what you have written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gloria,</p>
<p>Thank you for this thoughtful piece - there is much to think about in what you have written.</p>
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